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    Default Das Erbe Deutscher Musik - works on deposit

    Many of Zelenka's works have already been printed by various publishers and in the catalogue of Das Erbe Deutscher Musik there is an impressive list of works that are on deposit and await publication and performances. The link is:

    http://www.erbedeutschermusik.de/edm-d-ka.htm

    In addtion to this there are probably other works that have been edited elsewhere and are not presented in this catalogue. My guess is that roughly 75-80% of Zelenka's music has been edited. This is quite an achievement in a relatively short time.

    Hats off for the musicologists, they are doing a fantastic job!

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    Are these scores currently available for purchase or this merely a list of works awaiting publication?

    Cheers,

    Shaun

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    Hello!

    One friend of mine mentioned, that it would be very expensive to get notes especially from Zelenka from the archives. In Duisburg, my hometown in Germany, there is a conductor and choir leader keen on staging works of Zelenka (and othjer czech composers) which have not been published yet (don't know exactly which ones...). He told my friend that the choir cannot afford it because of the prices to get the matierial. Does anybody have any experiance in getting unpublished material? Maybe G.Reuss can tell how he got his lucky hands on the masses?

    Thanks a lot!
    David

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    Hi David,

    This subject has already been touched on under "Prohibitive costs of hiring scores".

    There appears to be nothing to stop people making their own "editions" from the original manuscript material which is available at the state library in Dresden.

    What I don't understand is the "fine print" concerning what one may or may not do, as what you get is copies/microfilm of the original autograph scores. In other words, is it legal to make performing editions from them?

    Presumably this material is given out to the public on the pretext that they will be doing private study. But does this mean that the big publishing houses like Barenreiter or Carus must pay a whole lot more to get hold of the same material, in the understanding that they will be making bigger profits when they sell or hire?

    Please can someone clarify this situation?

    One option is to contact Dr. Karl Geck, the Head of the Music Department at the State/University Library in Dresden and ask him. (Music mss: +49 351 4677 550, 552 or 553). His English is very good, but his availability is not so good. Perhaps someone with a good grip of German can pin him down by telephone on this point. Don't try to pin him down by e-mail, though, as he sometimes doesn't answer.

    What this all boils down to is that a combination of beurocracy by the library holding the originals and profiteering by publishing companies may actually be getting in the way of Zelenka's unpublished music seeing the light of day. (If you are reading this, Dr. Geck - which you are probably not - please take note.)
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    Hello David, Alistair, everyone else,

    Just visiting the forums again after a long absence. Hope everyone is having an enjoyable summer.

    Regarding copyright of microfilm or manuscript materials: as far as I know (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), you are free to do anything with reproductions of manuscripts provided to you from a research institution unless they specify otherwise. Research institutions are not-for-profit organisations, so they cannot charge people for the use of their holdings (meaning what the person does with the copies after they leave the institution - naturally they can charge fees for access to the materials, but that is mainly to keep access exclusive, not to profit from their holdings). This means that if you are able to obtain reproductions of manuscripts from a research institution, you are free to transcribe it, make performing editions, even sell it (your transcription/notation/edition) if you want. Publishers don't pay research institutions for the right to sell a work that is in the public domain. In a previous post, I mentioned reproductions are copyrighted: I meant photos of the material that appear in print or on a website are copyrighted. But if the institution provides you with photocopies or microfilm or scans of material for research, that isn't copyrighted and you can do what you want with it.

    Having said that, I've since looked at some of JDZ's manuscripts, and they are pretty messy. Deciphering them will be a major challenge for anyone wishing to make performing editions. Also a thorough knowledge of notational practices of the period is necessary.

    I hope this helps, and I look forward to seeing some new editions soon!

    Steven

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    sorry, posted too fast. One thing I forgot to mention: a research institution has the right to prohibit specific uses for the material they reproduce, including transcribing for personal use or selling your transcription. Usually no one prohibits making performing editions - that's exactly how so much music has been rediscovered in the last 30 years - but its is best to check with the institution before doing anything, just to be safe.

    Steven

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    Thanks for the explanation. But what is a "research institution"? Is the University and State Library in Dresden a research institution/part of such an institution (Dresden University)? Is this establishment what you are referring to in this case? Also, I don't understand the difference between a microfilm (which is apparently not copyrighted) and a photograph (which is apparently copyrighted). Surely they can look exactly the same?
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    Hello paperMoon,

    A research institution is anyplace that is publicly or privately funded for the purpose of storing and making available materials for research. In other words, a library - public or private, archive or similar place. Obviously that includes a university library, so I would consider the State Library in Dresden to be such a place. But as I said, they may specify otherwise how reproductions of their material may be used, since they own it. Most libraries who own manuscripts are happy to have musicians make performing editions of stuff they have - music doesn't live on paper on dusty library shelves, but in live performance and the ears of its listeners. And quite honestly, there is very little money in selling music by long-dead composers unless their name is Bach, Mozart or Chopin, so most people aren't that interested.

    As for microfilm and photographs, that's a good question. As far as I know, microfilm, being just a medium of record and not an artistic medium, is not protected by copyright (the medium of reproduction, I mean - not whatever is being photographed). Photographs, however, are protected by copyright, even if they are taken for non-artistic purposes, unless the author releases that copyright to the public domain.

    When in doubt, just ask the library what you can't do with the material tehy give you. In most cases, if you just want to make a performing edition, they are more than happy to oblige. If you then want to sell your edition, you can - since you are not selling the original piece but your edition of it, which (legally) is something else.

    Hope this helps.

    best wishes,
    Steven

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    Thanks for that. Does what you describe cover the whole world? Could there be loopholes in Germany?

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    Hi paperMoon,

    As far as I know, and as far as Zelenka is concerned, the copyright laws concerning archive material should be the same internationally, though as I said, some institutions impose their own rules for certain materials, which they have the right to do since they (or rather the state) own it. So, yes, the rules could be different not only in Germany but anywhere - but they probably aren't, and there should be no problem to make a performing edition of something by Zelenka by transcribing from the manuscript.

    And personally, I think that with Zelenka it is inevitable that a scholarly complete edition will eventually be published at some point, since he is turning out to be such an important composer of the period with a very unique voice. Until then, of course, we are free to do our own editions for our own performances.

    Greetings to everyone,

    Steven

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