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    Default New Ensemble Inegal Recording

    Frankly, I am shocked by Adam Viktora's latest venture.

    http://www.nibiru-publishers.com/ind...a&lang=English

    After all the excellent work he has done.

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    I'm not sure what you mean. Is this a joke? Have you heard the recording? Apart from all his other good attributes, Adam Viktora is a clever musicologist in his own right. If he chooses to record twentieth-century music, we should all sit up and listen because he most likely has something to tell us.

    Alistair

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    I think Honey B is shocked that Adam Viktora, now a fairly big "name" in early music, would venture on disc into modern repertoire and, furthermore, with music that is already so very heavily represented in the catalogues.

    As a "nothing after 1800" bore myself, I get a bit anxious when an early music (or period style) specialist spends time on familiar modern repertoire that districts her/him from spoiling me with more unknown gems from the Renaissance, Baroque or Classical periods!
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    I'm not denying Adam Viktora's artistic freedom to choose what music he performs.

    It's just that I have come to identify him with as a leading early music practitioner from his many excellent recordings of baroque music (Zelenka, Brentner, Vojta, Vivaldi) with Ensemble Inégal and other ensembles (La Gambetta), recordings I enjoy immensely. And he is lauded as a Zelenka champion (quite deservedly) in this Forum. Sure, he has recorded Dvořák too.

    Rest assured my post wasn't meant to be a joke Alistair. I must say I was taken aback by your reaction.

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    Hello again, Honey B,

    Perhaps you should have a good look at your original entry again. The fact that you have put Adam in a box marked "baroque" says more about you than about him!

    Personally, in view of another discussion thread on this forum (Parallel Composers), I would like to see him record some Martinu.

    Best wishes. /Alistair
    Last edited by Alistair; 09-02-2012 at 08:50 AM.

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    Yes, I suppose it does. I'm a bit like Osbert Parsley, except perhaps I'm more of a before-1750 bore.

    Afterall, the homepage of this website does start off with: "If you are at all interested in baroque music, but haven't yet explored the music of Jan Dismas Zelenka, this site is for you."

    Keep up the good work!

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    Default Re: New Ensemble Inegal Recording

    Hello everybody,

    This is an interesting discussion. Adam Viktora is of course completely free to record everything he deems good for his reputation and the artistic forthcoming of his fellow musicians etc. Remember that just 23 years ago he would not have been so free as he is now, even if it is true that e.g. Zelenka´s music was no more completely forbidden in then Communist Czechoslovakia.

    Best wishes,
    Mathon

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    The point remains (which is what I think Honey B was saying, underneath his dismay at one of his favourite musicians being side-tracked into music he has no taste for) that:

    1. the music on the new Ensemble Inegal disc is pretty standard/common repertoire and there are many, many recordings in the catalogues by good ensembles (i.e. it's not even Martinu); and

    2. there is so much music by Zelenka and other Dresden and Bohemian composers of the first half of the 18th century that is still un-discovered, un-performed and (vitally for those of us outside Europe and USA) un-recorded.

    I myself would love to hear Ensemble Inegal (and Musica Florea and Collegium 1704 - though lately I have been worried by some of the latter's choice of sopranos and altos - and Capella Regia) perform other composers' Dresden music such as Heinichen, Pisendel, Ristori, Veracini, etc ...

    Musica Florea's Brandenburg Concertos recording on Supraphon and Ensemble Inegal's Vivaldi sacred choral music disc on Nibiru show that the Czechs have some interesting things to say even in familiar Baroque repertoire. Their insights into Zelenka's colleagues at Dresden would be fascinating and I, for one, am very impatient to hear more of this stuff! I am not in the least interested in any exploration of Martinu and would be dismayed by any of my favourite Baroque ensembles enaging in such an enterprise: apart from his music not being to my taste, at least most of his most important works are already available in several versions in the CD catalogues.

    Of course a musician is free to do what he/she wants. The other side of the coin is that the musician's public is free to comment on what the musician does, within the bounds of good manners (which I think Honey B did not exceed). I really think some of the comments in response to Honey B are a little unnecessary and smack of an effort to silence, rather than respond to, those not following the mainstream kow-towing to the "Classical Canon".

    Maybe Honey B and I are alone in this view, but we should be allowed to express our opinions no matter how much the vast majority disagree. Diversity is good - especially in music!

    By the way, speaking of expressing opinions, aren't we rather overdue for a solo disc by the wonderful Czech bass and Ensemble Inegal stalwart, Tomas Kral? Bach, Zelenka and another Catholic composer active in the baroque period, perhaps an Italian, come to mind as a good programme.
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    I hesitate to open up a related debate, the one regarding historically informed performance, be it Baroque, Romantic or later. It was certainly at the back of my mind when I posted my original entry.

    Ensemble Inégal are certainly up there among the leading exponents of historically informed performance of Baroque music. To date, Adam Viktora has shown his impeccable taste in singers who can sing in historically appropriate style – his wife and wonderful soprano Gabriela Eibenová, my favourite soprano Hana Blažíková and the fantastic Tomáš Král come to mind. I share Osbert’s unease about Luks’ choice of singers.

    My point is this: how can musicians like Ensemble Inégal, who are so proficient in the Baroque style, switch to perform composers of a later period and perform at the same high level? Surely if their performance in one style approaches the point of being reflexive and “natural”, they can’t possibly do the same for music of a very different era. There are such signifcant differences in the instruments, techniques, pitches, etc.

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    I get what you are saying, but "the proof of the pudding" is in the whole experience of the performance. From the musical snippets on the Nibiru website, I am thoroughly convinced that Adam Viktora and his choice of singers have managed the great time divide in a convincing and appropriate way. I for one will be ordering this CD.

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