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    Does anybody know where I can find the score of Te Deum ZWV 146?

    The other Te Deum (ZWV 145) is published by Carus Verlag, but not this one ...

    Thanks,

    Best wishes everybody from Italy,

    - G.

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    Hello,

    Like you I'm expecting it, since 2000, as it is "in preparation" as written on the CD Carus 83.148.

    It would be faster to order from the Slub a digital copy of the original manuscript Mus. 2358-D-48,
    and edit it yourself.

    SK

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    An edition of the Te Deum ZWV 146 has been prepared by Reinhold Kubik, and should be available through the website of Das Erbe Deutsche Musik: http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakulta...senschaft/EDM/

    Collegium 1704 performed the work last year. I am sure the parts could probably be supplied by orchestra, if asked for.
    http://www.collegium1704.com/

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    In 2005, when I asked the EDM, the answer was: the transcriptions are not going to be published, should be studied in Kassel, Deutsches Musikgeschichtliches Archiv, or Tuebingen, and should not be copied.

    In 2011, Václav Luks did it right, see http://www.ceskapozice.cz/en/news/so...collegium-1704
    "Over the years, the ink has faded, so many of the notes are missing"
    "Fortunately, Reinhard Kubik, a noted German musicologist, made a copy of the manuscript about 30 years ago, when it was still legible"
    Last edited by skiaouros; 13-07-2013 at 07:15 PM.

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    Hello to all !

    I am a little bit confused ! I heard this great Te Deum ZWV 146 on Youtube. What a pity that there is no score ! I would love to analyze it thoroughly.

    then I looked out for ZWV 145. And I found this link:

    https://www.gramola.at/de/shop/produ...heinichen/151/

    What is this Te Deum a due Cori ? Is this ZWV 146 ? In the recording I have not heard a second choir ? Indeed Zelenka uses 5 voices. But why shoud somebody label a piece as "due cori" on a CD if it isn't ?

    Can anyone bring some light in this ???

    Kindest regards to all from Salzburg

    Monika

    P.S. Very interesting is the paralleism of the last woman voice terzetto in ZWV 146 with the Aria "Buß und Reu" by Bach !
    Last edited by Monika11; 13-09-2014 at 05:16 PM.

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    I have now found in the Catalogue of works, that the Te Deum ZWV 146 is indeed for due cori. But this one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oALxb2BQlY

    is the same as Vaclav Luks performs here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwI5nPDwp1M

    which is labelled as "ZWV 146", but has only one choir ... ???

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    Thanks a lot !

    I suppose this was my acoustic laps ! I have listened to ZWV 146 again and this is definately a work for double choir, even if you do not recognize it easily. So everything is clear and even the score is coming ! Thanks !

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    Default Re: Te Deum ZWV 146 (not 145)

    Not an answer about where to find the score, but with regard to the double choir issue, see:

    http://www.bachnetwork.co.uk/ub9/UB9-Stockigt.pdf
    Osbert

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    Dear Osbert,

    thanks a lot for this good link!
    Anyway I do not yet really understand what the fact is.

    Janice Stockight says:
    "Chorus I comprises SSATB vocal soloists (two solo sopranos and an alto are required only in one movement which is set as a vocal trio for SSA) while Chorus II consisted of ripienists. "

    Does this mean, that the Chorus II is the regular chorus and the Chorus I is the soloist ensemble?
    If it is that, why did Zelenka label it this way? Why did not name it as usual with Soli SSATB and Chorus?
    Does it possibly have to do with the fact that he writes an aria for three solo voices here?
    I am eager to understand this point.

    Greetings,
    Monika
    Last edited by Monika11; 06-10-2014 at 12:33 AM.

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