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    It's a disgrace that one cannot easily gain access to the score of one of Zelenka's masterpieces. I went to a few sheet music stores in Europe and was always given an offer of trying to order a score for a few hundred Euros, but no guarantee (i.e., I'd have to wait and see if it's even possible at all.) The options I found myself online suggested I can try to 'rent' performance material, for an undisclosed price. Any sensible person will refuse to participate in such a nonsensical practice.

    The manuscript has been made freely available. The project is, then, to prepare an open access score of the Missa Omnium Sanctorum. I have no illusions I'll be able to complete the project in a reasonable amount of time, since I'm just a hobbyist who is also preparing scores of other composers for choral performances. (And it's all but guaranteed the amateur choir I'm in will never attempt anything like the M.O.S.) But perhaps some parts of the Missa can be useful for someone.

    I will be using Lilypond. If any fellow Zelenka typesetters would like to help, please post in this thread! (I want to typeset Kyrie 2 and the Credo next, so I'm calling dibs on that.)

    So, without further ado, here's Kyrie eleison 1 from the Missa Omnium Sanctorum: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hzfzgss2r3...yrie1.pdf?dl=0
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    Here https://www.breitkopf.com/search?__c...zelenka+zwv+21 you can buy a full score (219 €) and a piano score (21,90 €) . I don´t have tried to order the scores, but it should work, i think. On the other hand, parts are only available by rental. This is very unsatisfactory. The edition is from 1989, it is probably an "urtext edition" and should therefore be public domain in the EU. Some libraries have this volume of "Erbe deutscher Musik", so it can be uploaded at IMSLP, for example. To extract parts by OMR should be not very difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwro View Post
    It's a disgrace that one cannot easily gain access to the score of one of Zelenka's masterpieces. I went to a few sheet music stores in Europe and was always given an offer of trying to order a score for a few hundred Euros, but no guarantee (i.e., I'd have to wait and see if it's even possible at all.) The options I found myself online suggested I can try to 'rent' performance material, for an undisclosed price. Any sensible person will refuse to participate in such a nonsensical practice.
    This is truth indeed, I found the same when searching for ZWV 20 Missa Dei Filii for performance recently. Both score and parts were very difficult to source. In the end, the parts were bought off Ensemble Inégal, and the score was rented at a price which was haggled down from the ~£1000 (!) which was quoted to us by a hire & copyright company in London.

    Creating open access sheet music of Zelenka's 'greats' is a very good idea. I am very new to typesetting, but I can give a go at the wonderful Benedictus.

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    That Benedictus is one the truly immortal bits of the Missa! It'd be great to see it in a modern score.

    Now, I was really surprised with Notenschreiber's information. Really, stuff published in 1989 is Public Domain? As far as I know, according to the EU laws the editor's rights are protected until 70 years after his or her death. I'd be very glad if I was mistaken, of course!

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    May be it´s a problem to buy a score of ZWV 20, it is out of stock (see here: https://www.breitkopf.com/search?__c...zelenka+zwv+20)
    But many libraries have the vol. 100 from "Erbe deutscher Musik", where it is contained, so one can loan the score.
    Much more difficult is it to get parts!
    Urtext editions are protected in Germnay for 25 years. Parts of it, for example the foreword, has a protection for 70 years after the
    death of the author of the text. (Sometimes it may be difficult to decide, if the realization of the continuo is protected as original work
    of its author, but this is usually not part of an urtext edition).
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    OK, this was great fun. My first typeset score (I picked the shortest & most intimately orchestrated movement on purpose!), the Benedictus ZWV 21:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/p5zpgjxdcj...ictus.pdf?dl=0

    I am now going on to the leaping whirl of the Osanna fugue, and aim to do the Sanctus afterwards.

    Edit: I would appreciate any thoughts about the note in the Alto in bar 14. In the autograph manuscript, both in this bar and bar 13, the notes written for Alto are different to what is being sung by the Soprano. I personally like the harmony of G (Soprano) and E (Alto) that is notated in bar 14. But, after consulting both Inégal's recording and Collegium 1704's live youtube one (who used Inégal's score...), it's clear that they don't have the two voices diverge, but stick to the one note, G. Therefore I've used that note, in brackets, in the typeset.
    Those two bars for S&A are very confusing. They seem to have been penciled (?) in, or are certainly written with a different instrument. Could be a Zelenka-error I guess.
    Last edited by Xanaseb; 20-02-2016 at 01:56 AM. Reason: Harmony or Unison?

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    Congratulations on the score!

    If we look at what's written with black ink (?), then in bar 13 there should be a d-a fifth between the alto and the soprano. This is an obvious mistake due to the A Minor chord in the BC and violin. It probably results from Zelenka thinking "I need to write the same note in both voices here" and forgetting for that instant that the second voice is in a different clef (it would be unison otherwise!). The penciled 'a' in that bar is a correction. Interesting that it suggests an e-g third in the next bar :-) I don't see any musical / rhetorical reasons for that and I'd suggest it's again a mistake.

    I'll modify the thread title accordingly

    edit: Unfortunately I don't know how to do that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwro View Post
    Congratulations on the score!
    I'll modify the thread title accordingly

    edit: Unfortunately I don't know how to do that...
    Ah, yes, I tried to change a Live Performances thread, where I had originally titled it "West Germany concerts" to "Western Germany" (I realised that it evoked pre-1990 Germanies...), but it only changed the bold secondary title (the one on your actual post).... Not sure what would be the best thing to do about that.

    Thanks for the thoughts on the S & A - I thought that may be the case. It's nice to know that he wasn't always on the ball with things

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    In his first editon Wolfgang Horn writes in the critical report:

    " 13,14 A: d´, e´ statt a´, g´. T.13 ist im Autograph der erste Takt auf einer neuen Seite, der Ton d´ wird durch die Harmonie als falsch
    erwiesen. Mit Sicherheit wollte Zelenka hier nicht von der Unisono-Führung der Singstimmen abweichen"

    Accordingly his edition has a´ in bar 13 and g´ in bar 14 in the alto voice.
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    Just for kicks, look at the very last pages of Poppe's "Missa S. Antonii Paduani":
    http://digital.slub-dresden.de/filea.../448849178.pdf

    Take a look at the Benedictus (it's at the very end, after Dona nobis pacem!). Again, sopran doubles the alto, while the strings have something like an ostinato... but the basso and tenor sing two imitative lines also!

    edit: wasn't it Zelenka who copied Poppe's manuscript?
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