Posts by Philidor

    Thanks very much for the suggestions. I'm putting out feelers elsewhere to lay my hands on PD copies of the pieces mentioned (all help from here would also be much appreciated). In the meantime, IMSLP seems the safest bet -- each score's been through their copyright review process and is definitely public domain. Could I ask someone to cast their eye over the IMSLP list and point to any particularly beautiful/iconic/eccentric themes?,_Jan_Dismas

    Can anyone link to public domain scores of:


    Credo of ZWV2 ms 185 "Descendit"



    second Kyrie in the Mass for the Most Holy Trinity

    I've searched the Dresden collection and found lots of Zelenka but can't make head or tail of their cataloguing system. Sorry if I'm being foolish but I pull up a score, in Zelenka's wonderful spidery handwriting, and don’t know what I'm looking at. I can tell it's not a Ligeti score, but that doesn't help much!

    They need to be public domain or I'd have to sort out a license.

    Thanks! Dresden here I come. :p

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    I'd be happy to buy a T-shirt, if you can get me one in XXL. Neat idea!

    That's great, but I'm genuinely not here to spam up sales. The collection will include all the old favourites - Brandenburgs, Beethoven 5 opening, Eine kleine Nachtmusik etc etc. But I'd love to, in a small way, be part of the Zelenka revival. I've just been listening to the new Missa Omnium Sanctorum recording, reported on another thread, and it's fabulous.

    Thanks again. Please keep ideas coming. Once I've mined something from Dresden I'll report back here with a design and see what people think.

    I took a couple of (rough) photos of a prototype. They give an idea of what a Zelenka would look like:

    Musical T-Shirt - Bach Chaconne - 1

    Musical T-Shirt - Bach Chaconne - 2

    I'm searching for an archetypal or highly representative or just particularly beautiful and/or interesting/eccentric Zelenka musical phrase for a Zelenka Musical T-shirt. Here's roughly how it would look, using Bach as the example:

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    Can anyone help? I was thinking maybe something from the six sonatas but thought I'd ask here first. A phrase from a choral work would be ideal.

    The T-shirt will be sold commercially but I'd be happy to include a donation to this site for each sale. I've been a member here for a while, am a Zelenka fan, and would like to contribute.

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    Your wish has been granted

    Beat me to it.... :p


    Donald Macleod begins his week-long exploration of one of Baroque music's forgotten heroes. With a name like Zelenka, he may sound like a man created only to make possible the complete A-Z list of classical composers, but this musician's talents added up to so much more. One of Zelenka's great contemporaries, Telemann, was so impressed by his abilities that he was complicit in a plot to steal copies of his work. And none other than J.S.Bach spent much of his time in Leipzig trying to curry favour with Zelenka's employers in the hope of securing an appointment. Yet, until the 1960s, Zelenka was little more than a name, even to the most knowledgeable scholars...

    BBC Radio 3

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    That online review states:


    The Missa Votiva was written in Dresden in 1739 as a thank-offering for his recovery from an illness from which he had suffered over the previous ten years.

    Is that true? There's not even a known portrait of Zelenka, so how have they got hold of his medical records? Perhaps he wrote about his health on the front of the manuscript -- and I'm just showing my ignorance -- but given the nonsense about Zelenka being 'bitter' I'm now suspicious when alleged biographical detail emerges.

    Thanks Peter. :cool: I'm at the stage with Zelenka where I don't care what sort of performance it is, as long as they're vaguely in tune and no one falls off the stage with a crash. It's great just to hear him performed and I'll worry about 'authentic' this and 'wobbly soprano' that once they're all recorded and regularly played. Besides, these Aussies do a reasonable job.

    Hi Fernando,

    The oboist Malcolm Messiter has prepared some of the set -- see here and here (post #46). Perhaps he could help? Absurd there isn't an easily available, scholarly, urtext, edition of the entire set.

    Best wishes,


    Thanks Alistair & Brian. :) The claim struck me as odd because as there’s not even a portrait how could anyone know he’s ‘bitter’? They’ll be saying next he was mean to his mother! It’s as if critics are ashamed he’s neglected and make up lies to justify it. ‘Oh no wonder Zelenka isn’t played he was so dismal and bitter and once kicked a cat!’

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    I wrote a letter of complaint to the boss at Hyperion, but got no reply of course.

    I'm going to start doing that, referring to this thread's url.

    In the few Zelenka links on google there are references to his alleged 'bitterness'. Examples:


    Zelenka achieved little recognition during his lifetime, and died a bitter and lonely man in 1745.

    The Finchcocks Series
    Early Music.1984; 12: 283-287


    He died in 1745, in all probability a bitter and disappointed man.

    Concert programme notes

    Is there any scholarly under-pinning to the claim, or is it just a wild guess wrapped up as respectable comment? In other words, it’s a lie which has gained credence because people keep repeating it?

    Here's the offending text. I was extolling the virtues of this forum and someone suggested inviting you over for a cup of tea. I responded:


    You bet. That forum's fantastic. It's populated by academics who jump up and down with joy each time they re-discover a Zelenka manuscript. For a long time it was thought, wrongly, that much Zelenka had been destroyed by British Bomber Command in the Dresden firestorm of 1945. But they turned up in Russia!


    No offence intended and none taken I hope! It was meant as a high compliment.

    This should be good: Podger is excellent, as is the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment.